Posts by Lost in the fog

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Holy Spirit - Present or Gone in the Congregations?

by BourneIdentity in

i was doing some reminiscing and remember the days back in the late 80s and early 90s where i truly could say the meetings were so encouraging and that i felt the holy spirit present and operating on all of us.

today when i attend, there is nothing of the sort.

is it because jehovah has withheld it?

Lost in the fog

A friend of ours in Australia has stopped going to the meetings because of seeing the problems in the congregation there. They were bold (or crazy) enough to announce the fact on their Facebook page. Immediately the posts started rolling in either urging them to go back, to seek out the elders, or criticizing them for not opposing the Devil.

The post that really made me laugh was the one which said, "Oh you have to return to the congregation's Kingdom Hall because it's the only place in the world where Jehovah is with his Holy Spirit."

And I thought how ignorant of Bible knowledge the writer must be for Christ said that God does not dwell in handmade temples. And besides if you believe in God as the Almighty One then HE is God over every creation, not inside one tiny building and His holy spirit is working across the globe. It's laughable that anyone can think God is somehow anchored above each Kingdom Hall and nowhere else.

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LAPSED JEHOVAH'S WITNESS.

by Lost in the fog in

so this former athlete is taking part in a new television programme.

it caught my attention that he called himself a lapsed jehovah's witness.

it obviously didn't bother him to stand up for the national anthem when he won a gold medal in the london olympics, so i guess he's pretty well lapsed.. https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/our-region/milton-keynes/milton-keynes-star-greg-rutherford-to-appear-in-new-bbc-tv-show-starting-friday-1-8875479 .

Lost in the fog

So this former athlete is taking part in a new television programme. It caught my attention that he called himself a lapsed Jehovah's Witness.

It obviously didn't bother him to stand up for the national anthem when he won a gold medal in the London Olympics, so I guess he's pretty well lapsed.

https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/our-region/milton-keynes/milton-keynes-star-greg-rutherford-to-appear-in-new-bbc-tv-show-starting-friday-1-8875479

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I dont understand why KH's are less attractive than churches

by nowawake14 in

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i mean, come on.

if they call themselves the "true", then why are most kingdom halls not as attractive as churches and dont do any better?.

Lost in the fog

Because they are so plain a jw who finally makes it inside a cathedral is blown away by the art, sculpture, etc. It has been the beginning of their journey out in some instances I am aware of, especially when they see the people attending have a strong connection to their community and also love one another.

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Fear Of Demons:

by Englishman in

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there was a time when jw's wouldn't buy anything that wasn't brand spanking new.

it might be a way for the demons to enter your home!.

this is from the wt, dec 15, 1966:.

Lost in the fog

We know several publishers who won't buy anything from a charity or goodwill store for that very reason. Whereas we have furnished most of our house with 2nd hand items because they are less expensive and never lost any sleep over it.

This is probably another excuse for the elders to poke through the homes of the congregation on the pretext of helping exorcise the demonic influences while looking for anything that will let them haul the person in front of a committee.

If anything is demonic, I think we all know what it is in relation to the Watchtower Society and its minions.

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May 2019 Study Article in the Watchtower

by Lost in the fog in

here is paragraph 18 of the study article.

made to the congregation.

(1 cor.

Lost in the fog

Here is paragraph 18 of the Study article.

made to the congregation. (1 Cor. 5:11-13) If he is repentant, he may remain in the congregation. However, the elders will inform him that he may never qualify to receive any congregation privileges or to serve in any position of responsibility in the congregation. Out of concern for the welfare of children, the elders may privately warn the parents of minors in the congregation of the need to monitor their children’s interactions with the individual. When taking such measures, the elders are careful to maintain the privacy of those hurt by the sin.

Now I have a big question. "If he is repentant he may remain in the congregation..."

Does this mean that as a WITNESS to JEHOVAH he is entitled to share in the door to door ministry where he will obviously come into contact with children. "I'm sorry but mom and dad are away for the weekend." Leaving him or her open to further temptation and reproach on the congregation.

Even if he/she is accompanied by a JW while out in the ministry, what if anything stops them coming back to the children's house later on their own.

Doesn't it seem as if this whole process is flawed in many respects?

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Does anybody else still have an obsession about Saturday morning weather?

by Exelder in

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i am still enjoying the luxury of weekends to do whatever i want....but....out of habit i am still obsessed with looking at the weather for saturday mornings.

rain on a saturday morning was a very rare treat and we got the morning off, although as group leader, i still had to go to the group just in case somebody turned up.. does anybody else still watch the weekend forecast with interest?

(i am aware that this is probably a uk thing as we are obsessed with the weather ha ha).

Lost in the fog

Honestly?

In a word, NO.

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Web sites that Jehovah's Witnesses can go to

by new boy in

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what exjw sites could i refer a seeker of true to look at besides this one?.

since this is the only exjw web site that i'm a member of, i would like to make mention of other web sites for people to look at in my book.

i only know of two others.. jw facts and jw survey.

Lost in the fog

As long as "new boy" is not looking for a list of fresh sites that the WT lawyers can issue with further subpoenas... 🤔

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Suicide Attempts

by APieceOfShitNamedTate in

does anyone know if the new elders' manual addresses attempted suicide?

in the previous manual, it was seen as a potential judicial matter, which is absolutely ridiculous.

have they changed it?

Lost in the fog

I think it is disgraceful that they refuse to let the KH be used for the funeral of a person who has died through suicide. I have known 5+ sisters and brothers who have taken their own lives and in every case use of the KH was refused by the various bodies of elders.

At the time when their surviving family or spouse is in need of support they are turned away from their own place of worship. God knows what message it sends out into the wider community!

In most cases an elder conducted the funeral service but it had to be held in the funeral parlour or at the crematorium.

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Named and Shamed in Australia.

by Lost in the fog in

https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2019/02/government-names-shames-organisations-yet-join-redress-scheme/ .

Lost in the fog

https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2019/02/government-names-shames-organisations-yet-join-redress-scheme/

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Was Russell "that" Faithful and Wise Servant?

by Sea Breeze in

"from this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of zion's watch tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant.

" he never did claim to be such," ("god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached," 1973, p. 346).. or this?.

"thousands of the readers of pastor russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season.

Lost in the fog

The bother with this argument is that the people who come later are revisionist historians. They rewrite their own history to suit their preferred present needs.

Did the Bible Students in the days of Pastor Russell believe he was the F&DS, yes.

Proclaimers Book, jv 18, p625: "Many who were sifted out at that time clung to the view that a single individual, Charles Taze Russell, was the “faithful and wise servant” foretold by Jesus at Matthew 24:45-47 (KJ), which servant would distribute spiritual food to the household of faith. Particularly following his death, The Watch Tower itself set forth this view for a number of years. In view of the prominent role that Brother Russell had played, it appeared to the Bible Students of that time that this was the case. He did not personally promote the idea, but he did acknowledge the apparent reasonableness of the arguments of those who favored it."

But now poor Bro Russell has been relegated to a John the Baptist role, a forerunner of the true faithful and discreet slave class. Says who? Why the present F&DS of course. In much the same way that they now apply more to themselves only and not to the global anointed ones. Because now they teach that the faithful slave only came into existence in 1919 C.E. (Watchtower February 2017, page 25, para 10.)

Revisionist historians. Chop and change the facts to suit themselves. And the rank and file just gobble it up.